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Tulpas and their hosts share any mental conditions they have.

11:35 PM

One might experience symptoms more pronounced than the other, but everyone in a system will likely be affected by having a mental health condition.

11:36 PM

If your condition hurts you, then it can and likely will do the same for any tulpas you create.

11:37 PM

I've never heard it common for tulpamancers to have "downward spirals" from making tulpas and being mentally ill as a common thing, though. Tulpas also don't need to be made in response to serious mental problems.

you need to keep in mind that all the things you repressed due to c-ptsd might come to the surface in the form of a tulpa so i would encourage being careful

11:42 PM

you might also ar one point mistake your tulpamancy with DID because of some of c-ptsd symptoms

Yeah, having a companion to help you deal with the bad times is one thing, but the only way to truly get to working through C-PTSD would be with a professional, AFAIK.

Self-help can only really go so far.

so if you decide to go with tulpamancy keep in mind you probably don’t have did, because if you don’t you might develop pseudo-did

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Especially if your initial purpose for starting tulpamancy is to combat C-PTSD symptoms, or something.

Well, my intention here is to... How may I call it. I wanted to preserve and give form, autonomous of me, to the best parts of my personality and values I was holding to - altruism, pacifism, compassion. And through this, not just preserve part of myself, but also to bring a person that I could understand and feel close. I tried to find a soulmate in the real ford for more than a decade and a half, but alas. And well... C-PTSD care if unavailable for me unfortunately. I tried to get it in my region. Nobody couldn't help and well, it only worsened during years.

i would definitely not use tulpamancy as a cure for c-ptsd…

11:44 PM

mazalin, but your best parts are protected…

So my intention not just combat PTSD, but well, as I said, to probably help to preserve that I value.

they have been your whole life

If anything, compartmentalizing your personality traits sounds like the opposite of what you'd want to do.

11:45 PM

Leiko is right, that sounds like a recipe for disordered plurality.

one if the most beautiful experiences treating c-ptsd is discovering that the innocence, goodness, all the beautiful things about you you though were long gone… they have always been inside of you, protected

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11:46 PM

c-ptsd is a strong protection mechanism, it protects all of that from harm

11:46 PM

i talk from personal experience

I can attest that what Leiko is saying is true, also from personal experience.

Leiko

mazalin, but your best parts are protected…

I'm kinda not sure that they will be in future. At summer, probably, I'm going to be deployed to an actual warzone, against a kind of people, facing whom, I can probably even lose myself due to um... Very intense emotions I feel towards them. Because half of my c-PTSD comes from the things those people are trying to bring. And I'm not sure how well that can go if I go and face this alone, without somebody to help me and back me up. Because the regiment I'll be in... Well, people there are heavily traumatized by the foe, so I expect them not stopping, but probably even encouraging supressing compassionate parts of me regarding to dealing with, well, the other side. (edited)

I don't have C-PTSD, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, but wouldn't creating a mental companion based on your purest and best traits be counterproductive? As Leiko said, C-PTSD protects your vulnerable parts from being harmed, at the cost of being a disorder. But if you make these parts into their own person, they will be able to be reached by your C-PTSD symptoms just like the rest of you.

11:51 PM

You would theoretically be exposing those parts of yourself, unprotected, to the full weight of your disorder.

Seth || M&M

You would theoretically be exposing those parts of yourself, unprotected, to the full weight of your disorder.

That's not how it works.

Fair enough, that makes sense.

Huh. I though, that by giving them to the one who would be an autonomous person, they'd probably be protected from you know, outbursts of hatred. Because if, for example, I'd like to commit a war crime out of hatred, my soulmate-tulpae could at least help me to stop for a moment, and reconsider. And thus, help me from going down the rabbit hole during that war.

11:54 PM

Because from what I've read, I've formed an opinion that he would express those hardships that I face a bit fainter, than actually me, because he'll be independent of me and well, not in control of the body as well, no?

I mean, tulpas can control the body, that's a thing that happens.

If trained to do that, yes.

Yes, in most cases, it takes training.

So yup... As you see, reasoning is complicated - 1) to have a soulmate, 2) trying to preserve that I value, 3) to have a person that will help me to get through this hellhole, because there will be mostly people who will probably only encourage mental degradation that is called getting desensitized and violent, because violence there is a routine. (edited)

Regarding protecting positive traits, I really must stress this point: Tulpamancy can be quite in-depth and amazing in it's own right, but it is nothing compared to how effective cPTSD is as a protection mechanism. Having those beautiful qualities about you identified with a tulpa adds about the same amount of protection as putting an extra coat of paint on a main battle tank.

11:59 PM

Maybe not even that much.

cerys is absolutely right that cptsd is much better in protecting

12:00 AM

you need to keep in mind that as you try to tap into best parts of yourself, you will also tap to the worst parts of yourself

Cerys

Regarding protecting positive traits, I really must stress this point: Tulpamancy can be quite in-depth and amazing in it's own right, but it is nothing compared to how effective cPTSD is as a protection mechanism. Having those beautiful qualities about you identified with a tulpa adds about the same amount of protection as putting an extra coat of paint on a main battle tank.

Agreed, making a tulpa with positive traits you wanna preserve doesn't really protect you

your brain will learn how to make headmates out of parts of you, and if it turns into a habit, it might get out of control and be very disorganised and disordered

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Cery

berockly (TTG)

Agreed, making a tulpa with positive traits you wanna preserve doesn't really protect you

The point is, cPTSD already protects those things.

Cerys

The point is, cPTSD already protects those things.

Agreed

the problem is that your best parts of self will be probably the least of your experience and the worst parts of you will be much harder to control. if you can't control your emotions and bursts right now, if you give it a name it will be even harder

This just feels like wanting to make a tulpa for a seemingly "good" reason, but the potential long-term implications being far crappier.

So, it WILL actually make things worse.

i have seen people getting more and more disordered and they match the pattern that you show mazalin

are you actually going to war or was it a metaphor?

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This is just me, but I feel like making a tulpa out of a part of yourself has the potential to just complicate identity issues in general.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

are you actually going to war or was it a metaphor?

Not a metaphor. Actual war. Not know how close to the 0-line I'll be during my physical health state (it's gonna be evaluated in a boot camp), but still. (edited)

@Askold Rugel Does your military know about your cPTSD?

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what are you guys saying about cptsd? im interested

Cerys

@Askold Rugel Does your military know about your cPTSD?

Yes. I've told to the med officer before making a decision. There are people with PTSD and cPTSD already, but still in service. This is... A regiment made of volunteers, that's why they're still there, not an ordinary army. And we'll be actually fighting against our former compatriots. That's complicated.

Askold Rugel

Well, my intention here is to... How may I call it. I wanted to preserve and give form, autonomous of me, to the best parts of my personality and values I was holding to - altruism, pacifism, compassion. And through this, not just preserve part of myself, but also to bring a person that I could understand and feel close. I tried to find a soulmate in the real ford for more than a decade and a half, but alas. And well... C-PTSD care if unavailable for me unfortunately. I tried to get it in my region. Nobody couldn't help and well, it only worsened during years.

cant you just make a tulpa based on these traits instead of using your own traits to do it ? (even throught they might deviate )

12:09 AM

you could put these characteristics on your tulpa without taking pieces of yourself

that won't work

Adeus.

cant you just make a tulpa based on these traits instead of using your own traits to do it ? (even throught they might deviate )

Well, that was an implication. Basis - those traits. But I never wanted tulpa be EXACTLY the same. That's a separate person, I can't just take and enforce my will onto it.

as soon as your brain learns how to do tulpamancy, it can become a habit and get disordered easily

12:10 AM

it probably wouldn't stop on what you are saying shinimi

12:10 AM

especially in an environment like war

Adeus.

you could put these characteristics on your tulpa without taking pieces of yourself

You always take pieces of "yourself" if they are not there to begin with you just learn them while creating the tulpa

mazalin, you will have real life companions

12:11 AM

you should focus on them

its not like they just appear out of nowhere, they have to be learnt

12:12 AM

im lost with the war metaphores, i think i should step out

i would ask to not do two discussions at the same time as this one is quite important

12:12 AM

it's not a metaphor

Askold Rugel

I'm kinda not sure that they will be in future. At summer, probably, I'm going to be deployed to an actual warzone, against a kind of people, facing whom, I can probably even lose myself due to um... Very intense emotions I feel towards them. Because half of my c-PTSD comes from the things those people are trying to bring. And I'm not sure how well that can go if I go and face this alone, without somebody to help me and back me up. Because the regiment I'll be in... Well, people there are heavily traumatized by the foe, so I expect them not stopping, but probably even encouraging supressing compassionate parts of me regarding to dealing with, well, the other side. (edited)

i feel dumb because i've only read this now (edited)

12:16 AM

i kinda skip texts without meaning to

you know, it's quite irresponsible to give advice to someone without reading whole context...

Askold Rugel

Yes. I've told to the med officer before making a decision. There are people with PTSD and cPTSD already, but still in service. This is... A regiment made of volunteers, that's why they're still there, not an ordinary army. And we'll be actually fighting against our former compatriots. That's complicated.

I don't know the exact details of your situation, and I don't know exactly what is at stake for you, so I don't mean any disrespect or rudeness by this. However, if you haven't already, please seriously consider not putting yourself in a position where you will see active combat, and consider alternative roles you can do instead. cPTSD is very serious, and combat is perhaps the worst place to work on recovering from that, and can lead to even more problems.

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12:18 AM

@Askold Rugel Working on recovering from cPTSD is very hard, and is a very worthy task which only you can engage in.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

you know, it's quite irresponsible to give advice to someone without reading whole context...

i'm sorry

12:19 AM

i hate having a short attention span

12:19 AM

but yeah i shouldnt advise him

it's fine

12:20 AM

to be honest noone here is qualified to give him advice

12:20 AM

the only advice here is "don't do it" in my opinion

12:22 AM

it definitely is out of scope that any of us are familiar with

Cerys

I don't know the exact details of your situation, and I don't know exactly what is at stake for you, so I don't mean any disrespect or rudeness by this. However, if you haven't already, please seriously consider not putting yourself in a position where you will see active combat, and consider alternative roles you can do instead. cPTSD is very serious, and combat is perhaps the worst place to work on recovering from that, and can lead to even more problems.

I can actually tell details, if that may be helpful. Just afraid that this will bring politics into this, that's why I'm hesitant. Because well, wars are waged between countries.

to be honest even if you are a Russian soldier that wouldn't bother me personally

we will ignore politics

12:27 AM

although i dont think we can help you even if you give details...

Huh. I though, that by giving them to the one who would be an autonomous person, they'd probably be protected from you know, outbursts of hatred. Because if, for example, I'd like to commit a war crime out of hatred, my soulmate-tulpae could at least help me to stop for a moment, and reconsider. And thus, help me from going down the rabbit hole during that war.

@Askold Rugel - jump Unless "I'd like to commit a war crime out of hatred" is by proxy political.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

to be honest even if you are a Russian soldier that wouldn't bother me personally

Well... That's a solid hit to the point. I was trying for years to prevent my people from going down into a spiral of hatred. Because of this and the country's way of life I've actually got c-PTSD, and that's from where loneliness comes from. And 1st thoughts of tulpae - nobody to be close with. And people with whom I'll be fighting with... Those are ex-Russians, exiles who already were pushed out of Russia for disagreement and lived in Ukraine when Donbass was invaded. They took up arms then, 9 years ago. I expect to see an extreme hatred towards ex-compatriots from them, and probably pushing me towards this. And 3rd part... Because I already struggle with this hatred, I feel that sometimes. That's hard not to feel, when you was stepped over whole your life just for trying to be good to people around, and see all THIS being done as well. So I'm afraid that combined with the atmosphere of the regiment I might lose myself. Because hostile soldiers could trigger my condition and well, provoke unreasonable amount of hatred that might lead to a war crime. That's why I started thinking again about making a soulmate that'll help me to go though this and not turn into a murderous scumbag. (edited)

mazalin, this sounds like a very complex, extremely tough situation you found yourself in. i don't think anyone here would be capable to actually understand what you are going through

12:46 AM

this sounds like a nightmare none of us would want to find themselves in

12:46 AM

i'm very, very sorry you are going through this

But your general line - that might be harmful to me and tulpae, if I bring him into my mind in this state, yes?

i can't imagine how disorganised your system might become if you found yourself on the battlefield...

12:49 AM

from experience i can tell you that in situations when i felt in danger i was getting extremely disorganised and disordered. but there is no more real danger than battlefield

Just yeah... As I said. I don't want to turn into a plain out war criminal with no remorse, if my c-PTSD symptoms overtake me, backed up by the brothers in arms that are traumatised as hard as I am. And because of my life experience, I can't hope to find a person in any close future that will stop me from this moral degradation. That's why I hoped that tulpae could help - a person that values those good thing that I valued before all this went crazy to an 11/10. So I could have somebody who actually could say me "stop! what are you doing?!" if my triggers will overtake me. (edited)

Anything you could do with a tulpa That isn't you talking to someone else is something you could do directly, more effectively

12:51 AM

If you want to train yourself to be a moral person in stressful times, your best bet is to look up how to accomplish that.

yes, i wouldn't look for plural solutions on that either

Askold Rugel

Just yeah... As I said. I don't want to turn into a plain out war criminal with no remorse, if my c-PTSD symptoms overtake me, backed up by the brothers in arms that are traumatised as hard as I am. And because of my life experience, I can't hope to find a person in any close future that will stop me from this moral degradation. That's why I hoped that tulpae could help - a person that values those good thing that I valued before all this went crazy to an 11/10. So I could have somebody who actually could say me "stop! what are you doing?!" if my triggers will overtake me. (edited)

Sorry if this is disrespectful but, if this is a volunteer group, can you not just leave? Do you have an actual good reason to be there? I assume you do. Best advice we can give you is don't make a tulpa or don't go to war, or both.

Reguile

If you want to train yourself to be a moral person in stressful times, your best bet is to look up how to accomplish that.

Well, I manage as far as it goes right now. I haven't let hatred cause me to do something awful right now... But I understand that this will ramp up to extreme when I'll be there.

If you're in Russia and you are Russian and you are going to war, you need to get the fuck out as fast as you can. Russia's plan for winning in Ukraine is going to involve throwing people at the problem. You don't want to be one of the people.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Sorry if this is disrespectful but, if this is a volunteer group, can you not just leave? Do you have an actual good reason to be there? I assume you do. Best advice we can give you is don't make a tulpa or don't go to war, or both.

That'd be probably "don't make tulpa" then. Because going there for me is an act of standing for my values one last time.

Askold Rugel

That'd be probably "don't make tulpa" then. Because going there for me is an act of standing for my values one last time.

Thats sad...

12:54 AM

Im sorry.

Reguile

If you're in Russia and you are Russian and you are going to war, you need to get the fuck out as fast as you can. Russia's plan for winning in Ukraine is going to involve throwing people at the problem. You don't want to be one of the people.

Well, as I said above, I'm not going to fight for Russia. I'm going to do exact the opposite.